Tuesday, 26 October 2010

In response to Matts comment. "How can we know any thing for certain?"

"If we talk about all of these possibilities and then say we could likely never prove one is right, then we have to accept them all as plausible. In other words, we all have to believe that no one can know anything for certain, a rule we would break if we all agreed to that sort of thinking. The quicker question is this: how do we know for certain that nothing can be known for certain? If we cannot know for certain that we can know nothing certainly, then we believe what we believe, in part, by faith, and not because we are certain that what we believe is true. Or right."

They are all plausible yes, but some have more merit than others, well in my mind they do, but maybe thats just because i dont want to accept something that is clearly quite radical and potential disturbing. 

things can be known for certain takes maths for example 

2+2=4 no matter what we do or how we twist this, this simple sum will always come out as 4, there is no getting around it. 

however there are a lot of things out there that we do not know for certain things in my ever day life for example, how many people will look at the blog today, i cant know that for certain.  
and things in science like how the universe has been formed, was it god? or was it just all fluke and coincidence? we just cant know. 

or well until one or the other is proven, if it can be proven that is... 

now let me ask you this, and i believe this is an important question, if we cant prove it, why should we believe it? 

im open to any response, weather its just a simple "have faith" i dont mind. 

i look forward to your comments. 

Thanks to Matt for his in depth comment. 


  1. its all logic bro...the more we learn and think, the more we realize we really know nothing in the grand scheme of things

  2. I have no clue.
    Also It doesn't really matter. :D

  3. I really enjoyed reading the posts on your blog. I would like to invite you to come on over to my blot and check it out. God bless, Lloyd

  4. I don't think anything is certain, theres so much we can't even begin to comprehend

  5. interesting stuff thanks for sharing!

  6. You say that you determine whether something is plausible or not based upon your subjective desire to avoid something "radical" or "potentially disturbing." Even those phrases are subjective. What I find radical or disturbing may, in fact, be neither to you, and vice versa.

    In this sort of thinking, you make your subjective self the highest authority on whether something is plausible (or right or true). But today you may feel like wearing blue and tomorrow you may feel better wearing yellow.

    If you talk to a handful of people, you will likely find they have changed their beliefs in some way or another over time. Maybe drastically, maybe not, but I imagine you'd find that to be true of most people. Why? Because every time you learn something new, it shapes you--whether it's a physical, concrete fact or an abstract, theoretical idea. Knowledge changes you, because you aren't stable. And if you aren't stable, you are not in the place to judge anything as right or wrong. So the more you learn, the less you know. Or at least the less the know with any certainty. In other words, you get a glimpse of how incredibly small you are, cosmically speaking.

    But rather than getting lost in my smallness against the backdrop of the universe, I walk the path of faith. I believe, though science may not prove it to the satisfaction of some, that the complexities of the universe--large and small--were designed and continue to be upheld by the God of the Bible. Because if He is who He says He is, then He is the only one who never changes. He is the only one who can understand and discern truth. Therefore, He is the only one who can reveal truth. And that is precisely what I believe the Bible is: the progressive revelation of eternal truth.

    Many will read that and assume I am close-minded, but I counter that most "open-minded" people have never investigated the Bible thoroughly. Perhaps they have read and studied the works of others who likely had some ax to grind against Christianity, but I suspect few "open-minded" people have dared to put their presuppositions and preconceived ideas about Christians or Christianity aside and objectively research the Bible and its claims.

    Furthermore, I accept that the message of Christianity will be foolish to some. The truth is that every time the pure message of Christianity is shared, it will serve to either harden or soften the hearts of the hearers. There is no middle ground. But if the pure message of Christianity is true (and I believe that it is), then I do no one any favors by diluting it into something they might find more palatable.

  7. this is one of the few threads ive read that is actually about something HIGH FIVE. everyone else just babbles lol

  8. crose thanks :) that is what im aiming for, i hope you will come back read some more of my arguments and join in!

    matt thanks for your BEASST of a reply :) but iv found my self strapped for time, ivwritten a pretty big post on religion, and its kinda sucked up my time, ill see if i have enough tome to reply tomorrow. thanks